It's simple, you make no sense).... You're just going to keep wanking Gohan for god knows why, even at the expense of logic. How are we going to count the spar with Goku when we don't know how serious Goku was? Plus in regards to the frieza fight the whole thing was an act. I don’t give Gohan doing well against Blue that much credit because: 1) it makes no sense, like, beyond stupid for gohan to match that level of power, but more importantly... 2) Goku and Vegeta hold back against literally everyone even if it results in them getting beat up. Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku. u/MotorZookeepergame8. he used KK for the same reason that vegeta went SSB against Cabba. Gohna has been stated by a writer to be equal to 17, 17 was pressuring Toppo in a beam struggle last episode showing him to be relative to Toppo. Frieza and Goku are both equals and they one shotted each other....That was without goku using the Kaio-ken. He would lose to base Goku. And in that one episode with the sniper Piccolo lost like 5 arms, lol. It's absurd to truly think Gohan is anywhere near god status when he can't even sense God ki yet. No way is Goku fighting Gohan anywhere close to where he was fighting Toppo or Jiren. Golden Frieza was the one hurting Toppo, not 17. Ultimate Gohan (DBS) vs. SSB Vegeta Discussion in 'Outskirts Battledome' started by Mabel Gleeful, May 14, 2017. Question. I honestly feel this wouldn't be an issue if Toei didn't do all that universal shit with Beerus in the DBS version of Beerus vs Goku and in the BOG movie, because now whenever someone sees a character fight Goku they immediately think "no way this character is universal" even though Goku himself isn't universal and something akin to what happened during his fight with Beerus, never occurred again. Although originally introduced as a mild-mannered and easily scared child, Gohan harbors an immense, limitless potential that surpasses that of his father. SSB Goku vs Universe 6 Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - Duration: 2:04. He also fought the trio de danger all at once in base. If anything just saying "Gohan fought Goku" rather than something as specific as "Gohan showed power that rivals Goku's!". I mean, because he too has pushed back SSB Goku's Kamehameha during their beam struggle. @sirfizzwhizz: damn, Fizz at it again lowballing any series that isn't Ghostrider, Godzilla or Seven Deadly Sins. @erkan12: you really think Goku wasn't holding back even in SSB? Piccolo himself clearlystated that Gohan was no match for Dyspo and would have lost as soon as Golden Frieza eliminated them both. They were clearly showing how he was hurting his back while Toppo was overwhelming 17's beam. And the Jimeze vs Gohan / Frieza point, too. And Gohan has help. And forget that Gohan was matching with Pirina and Saonel in a 2 v 1, both of them are individually strong enough to fodderize Piccolo. They were tricking frost. @omriamar: Speculating? Gohan is a nice guy, he isn't a brute fighter, he wouldn't beat up Goku without asking him to use his full power. But in all honesty with all the bull shit going on in DBS why is it so hard to believe Gohan could be a rival to current Goku? Gohan isn’t comparable to Goku, Vegeta, Frieza, it Hit, or anyone else who was SSB. I also like how you completely side stepped away from the Gohan / Frieza vs Jimeze point which alone completely debunks your claims. Ultimate Gohan (ToP) vs SSJ Rosé Goku Black - Page 2. Gohan was ALREADY at max full power before Goku went SS2 in the beginning of round 2, and Goku got the first hit IMMEDIATELY on top of handling him the entire fight. Seems like SSJ3 should have been fine to handle it. Meh, DBS is somewhat inconsistent, which makes this hard. Yes. But we saw what happened in the episode and we did see Goku and Gohan fighitng evenly for a bit before Goku ended it with the Kaio-ken: If Gohan wasn't close to Goku in terms of power, Goku wouldn't have used the kaio-ken and the narrator would have chosen different wording. Golden Frieza must be weaker than SSJB Goku too. Question. Because DBS has had a bunch of unreliable inconsistency. He would not defeat Vegeta, but he's definitely in that tier of power. The man is still under Buuhan significantly for crying out loud. Gohan stalemating Kefla means that the character is way more powerful than he's typically given credit for. My very first reply here shows pictures detailing how Gohan was already at full power right as Goku went SS2, yet was still losing easily, yet wanted his dad to take him seriously in order to truly test his limits, a call back to DBZ's Cell Saga's Goku vs Gohan / SS1 moment in the HBTC. Either way, Golden Frieza (and anyone who is equal or around SSB Goku's strength) should be above Ultimate Gohan's level, since I doubt Toriyama and the writers ever had any intention to make Gohan surpass SSB at all. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. What would be his purpose to see Goku's full power other than he was also holding back like Goku. Goku is still a better fighter though so he prolly wins even if he's a bit weaker. You can keep playing dumb until you're face turns blue, but at the end of the day, I already laid out the consistent facts and they prove that Goku was always the one to sandbag during a match to either test himself, give false hope, take easy and / or steadily train his opponents. SSB Goku is far stronger than SSG Goku. So? 2. Unless he’s undoubtedly 100% serious then his showings should be taken with a grain of salt because he never goes all out. 9 months ago. It was stated in episode 91 by the narrator that current Gohan rivals Goku. @watcher5000: I guess. He only turned to SSB because Gohan kept begging him to do so. As for the fight I think Gohan wins. What feats? No way is Goku fighting Gohan anywhere close to where he was fighting Toppo or Jiren. @omriamar: Krilin also fought with SSB Goku, so what is your point? When the hell has Gohan ever did anything like that? I'm loving how you're literally just listing what opponents Gohan had to fight without even thinking of any context of power level within each fight or the fact he was clearly helped. If gohan wasn't ssg level, goku wouldn't have needed to go kk ssb to end their fight. no. he claimed it was for the time limit, but we all know it was to not wound vegeta's pride. @Foremostproxy: Yes, it would have, if Goku had been serious. You think a gohan who at his max mystic can be multi solar system could fight that? Damn Near Equals. Dragon Ball Super English Dubbed Episode 90 Reaction SSB Saiyan Blue Kaioken Goku Tien vs Ultimate Mystic Gohan Piccolo Review. unless you mean to say that Cabba is basicly equal to vegeta because vegeta went SSB and knocked him out? I rest my case though. Tbh the writers just crapped all over Piccolo even having him get stomped by Tagoma and doing pretty poorly in the ToP. Lol. because Perfect Cell did get punched by them nonstop after all, am I right? Since practically everyone on Universe 7 Team has fought SSB Goku, I guess Gohan. Then we have him going out in a non epic way, even worse than Tien's ring out who took someone with him. Confirmed. There's many more evidence where this comes from, too concerning Goku's personality traits and fighting methods. Then he uses SSJB, not even SSJB enough, then he uses SSJB KK. And considering both Pride Troopers are SSB level (and in Toppo's case, SSBKK), Gohan has to be at least on that level to be remotely competitive. Toppo in his non god of destruction state is potentially above exhibition match SSB Goku. Gohan (After another year in the time chamber) VS SSB Goku Gohan spends a year in the hyperbolic time chamber in training AFTER he got all of his powers back in Dragon Ball Super. That's even shown in the manga with Gohan only being the strongest on Earth without Goku and Vegeta. Because he didn't feel that he could easily over power Gohan without it.Thus, Gohan should be roughly equal but still inferior to SSB Goku.SSB Goku is far stronger than SSG Goku.The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. This is getting pathetic... arguing over semantics when clearly what's been stated was that Gohan would lose to Dyspo. The next future replies you give me I wont say anything else but demand an answer on why you think Gohan can beat supressed Toppo and an answer on why Gohan lost to Jimeze yet Final Form Frieza stomped Jimeze for Gohan to force your concession on Gohan's actual power level since you keep dodging these facts that you know debunk your huge Gohan wank. Frieza is pretty arrogant. That would make even less sense than DBS's power scaling. He has better techniques and is more experienced. It's clearly not as powerful as people hype it up to be imo. The fact 18 outlasted with more eliminations, and Roshi having more eliminations is already a bad sign. There hinting Gohan with a new Ultimate form, So he'll be Relevant much as he can be soon. Its hard to say with the way DBS is. He gave up on martial art trainings after defeating Cell and then he surpassed Super Buu's level in only one day. Goku Black wouldn't stand a chance against him. You also sound like you think Buuhan would be superior to SSB. This is super-STR's current optimal lineup: SSj4 Goku + SSj3 GT Goku + Floater. Since than Goku's base form hasn't seemed that strong IMO. They were also worrying if frieza had killed Toppo when he dropped the beam struggle, not 17. Anyway, probably Gohan. Nah, but seriously. So with all that said how does Mystic Gohan stack with SSB Goku in DBS? I mean just ssjg goku when he first transformed was around atleast universal. Gohan should Win After the Dyspo fight that is id say he is between Red Goku And Blue Goku. You should know how Goku sandbags on literally all of his opponents, including his own son, which Gohan got on him about again... but evidently you don't know much about the DB lore to realize this case to be even arguing. We're telling you he is SSJB tier because he didn't grow stronger in 4 hours, he was already that powerful. Again Gohan was suppressed when he was fighting goku until goku decided to use blue. According to DBS, Mystic Gohan from Buu Saga should done better than the version of Gohan Golden Frieza stomp. lol unbelievable. Because apparently anyone who lets their opponent touch them despite the clearly superior opponent simply allowing the lesser opponent some breathing space for whatever that reason may be automatically puts the lesser opponent on equal terms to the superior opponent according to your logic, right? Goku was able to stalemate an all out True Golden Frieza perfectly with Whis stating them to be equals without Goku using Kaioken whereas Ultimate Gohan still lost to a suppressed Golden Frieza who despite holding back claims he would have killed Gohan had he not caught on. It's quite funny you say that I'm biased against Gohan considering that Teen Gohan, next to Tien, is personally my absolute favorite DB character. Also Kefla didn't have any God ki, but she was powerful enough to match with Goku, Gohan is no different. Anyway, probably Gohan. Plus as you said the fights have been all over the place in this arc so I actually think its more reliable to trust whats stated rather than what is shown. WHY? Your bias over Gohan is at the extreme levels, it's better to accept that you're just lowballing him due to your personal liking. Gohan very heavily held the advantage over Super Saiyan 2 Goku. You just be straight up lying to keep your argument up lol. And Goku SS4 vs Super Vegito". Piccolo never said he was no match for Dyspo, he said he couldn't defeat him. That is a very specific word choice, if it were abbreviated I don't think the wording would be so specific. I'm just going to assume you had no answer to something that tore your argument inside out. I am getting the sense though that Gohan is meant to be on blue tier though. Super Saiyan 4 is the ultimate transformation of Dragon Ball GT for Saiyans. Gohan is still Buu level or slightly above..Goku was just sparring with him lol.Even 17 will wreck him. @sirfizzwhizz: You sound salty. This is hilarious. Oh, and please tell me when Obuni, Pirina, Saonel and Koichirator pre fusion were god tier? Which is patently ridiculous. @erkan12: I'm extremely late, but it's quite clear you didn't fully comprehend the episode. Then you have Gohan needing Android 17 to even survive against Toppo's suppressed form, virtually having no effect on Toppo with his ultimate Kamehameha... all of whom Goku and Vegeta had already convincingly handled with their SSB forms alone plentiful times, with Golden Frieza giving Toppo a near death experience with his suppressed multi death beams.... Gohan had a convincing match up with the U6 Namekians, who even Piccolo helped beat, meaning they too aren't near god status. Goku never used the Kaio-ken against Kale. Base Goku is not SSG level, but he is above ssj3 Z level, while Piccolo is between ssj2 and ssj3 level from Z. IIRC Goku was being pinned by Tupper and Android 18 picked him up easily. I do believe if they did get into a serious fight currently it wouldn't be a stomp in favor of frieza. What is wrong with you? Yes when they were sparing Gohan asked his father to go all out. 17 did not ask Goku to turn blue, Goku did it because 17 was strong. Why can't you answer that Gohan literally has no affect on Toppo even with his Ultimate Kamehameha WITH the help of Anroid 17 while SSB Goku ALONE literally did the same thing, as well as Vegeta and Frieza having significant affect on him? Nah. @jashro44: I find it extremely unlikely that Golden Frieza would be inferior to Buuhan. 18 got a lot of eliminations and lasted a long time, 7. Gohan begging Goku to take him seriously as a fighter has precedence! If anything base Gohan was doing a bit better. Because last time I checked, Gohan was severally struggling and literally almost lost against Jimeze, who Final Form Frieza immediately completely man handled for Gohan when he saw he couldn't keep up, btw. The narrator confirms this. You also have that fight between Goku and gohan in the garden. goku but not in a stomp as in WTF happen and how gohan was able to even fight with blue goku or even survive his KK move is beyond me so why will this shit be different??? It's not surprising that he reached that level with only a less training. I guess you need to lowball him to since Gohan actually took an opponent that he couldn't defeat. Gohan is stronger than he was in the Buu Saga cause dbs logic, I don't see why this is difficult to understand. You should know that Gohan knows his own dad and knows exactly how he coddles him, unlike Piccolo's methods of training. I'm pretty sure that is better than anything Gohan did. Goku. But I don't see how anyone could say Goku could win in his SSJ forms when it was confirmed Gohan fought goku with power that rivals his and Gohan wasn't fighting with his full power until Goku went Blue.... @Foremostproxy: He did not need it... did you even read what I wrote? If he said he would have killed Gohan had he not caught on, I'd be inclined to believe him considering Frieza's characters. Oh, and keep ignoring how Ultimate Gohan even with help has no answer to suppressed Toppo while literally every other actual god tier opponent can alone. But Buu Saga Gohan is superior to SSJ2 Goku and match SSB goku using his full power for a short time. Gohan helps both guys. I do think Frieza would kill Gohan if they had a fight to the death....That doesn't mean Gohan isn't close to blue tier or God tier. He would do that with SSB only. Gohan specifically said "see my full strength". And since then he has become a lot stronger. Would he? It's a cheat code that lets you move into a crazy high power level without bleeding off ki or having to undergo insane body alteration like imperfect SS2 or SS3. Only when Goku when Kaioken did Gohan lose. I agree, but his base still seems Buu tier considering he was able to fight fit Buu in his base. Please re watch the episode again, because this episode made it quite clear that Goku stomps on his son without question even when non serious. Honestly I don't know what the case is.... didn't Gohan beg goku to go full power against him and when goku did show gohan his true power gohan was one shotted, I'm sorry but a serious god goku beats current gohan. Not sure either were full power despite freiza saying gohan was and frieza saying he would respond with his true power. In Dragon Ball Super, during the training done before the Tournament of Power, Gohan and Piccolo trained to get Gohan back in fighting shape after 7+6 years of not training. U6 Namekians being above him, and Gohan being above them just proves Gohan is over Z ssj3 tier which his mystic form always was. Roshi, did way better than someone of his power should of and got a whole episode dedicated to him that was actually good and a follow up episode that had a lot about him as well and even put up a fight against Frost (who stomped Piccolo before), 8. Son Gohan is the eldest son of Son Goku and Chi-Chi, and one of the primary heroes of the second half of Dragon Ball. He did not do it against Gohan because he did not need it. If Gohans match with Frieza is a simulacrum of how an actual fight would go, then Gohan wins. Just because he's in a form doesn't mean he can't pull his punches. They stated outright Gohan had not only gained back his power, but surpassed it immensely. That was not a real fight. In ROF it was stated Goku in SBG used the power of SSG in Base to fight final form Frieza, Frieza was relative to that base Goku. Kind of but all it ended up being was Tein getting destroyed, and then Gohan and Goku fighting each other. Piccolo and Gohan have had especially big jumps as Piccolo went from being unable to overpower Frost to beating SSJ2 Gohan and Gohan went from getting killed by Frieza's 1st Form post 1 month training to keeping up with SSB Goku. SSG Goku would stomp him horribly. Goku only transformed because Gohan asked him to. He's bound to fight past his limits somewhere in the tournament. He also believed he would beat Goku which he didn't and he also said he could kill Vegeta as well which is debatable. Dyspo is fighting Freeza. And their goes Hit again wanking anything DBS :). ..Are you serious with this sentence? How does it feel to know current GoD level characters are Universal in DBS?How does it feel to know Goku solos the Godzillaverse(excluding God)? Gohan said himself he was at full power then. When Gohan was serious Goku was no match with SSJ, and no, don't show me the parts where Gohan was holding back. Goku tries to get the best out of everyone, especially so when he was recruiting people for his team. To me it seems more likely that either 1) Gohan's Ultimate form is stronger than before or 2) Goku was holding back in SSB form. Gohan, could of been 4 but went out kind of meh, 6. That's why he asked him to use it before he beats him up. Cause he lost alot of power from not training and he regained his old strength by training with piccilo but he isn't universal at all man, you're just wanting gohan to be strong to a point he can't be. @sirfizzwhizz: I already said it was inconsistent twice in this thread... @jashro44: Nothing is wrong with Gohan being that strong, but Super has been too inconsistent for me. The same Frieza who is +- the same tier is ssb Goku as shown in their last “fight” after the assassins. He did not feel the need to use even SSJ3. Yeah the scaling is all over the place in DBS, even moreso than DBZ was. The reason "Mystic Bullshit" exists, is because the technique itself is granting you the absolute apex of your potential. In terms of character respect for U7 this arc I think his is how it goes, 1. And any time Beerus gets serious in their fights(example being when he fodderized MSSJB Vegeta), it stops being an actual fight. For example, if he fights evenly with Toppo or overcomes Dyspo speed, that would be more of a clear indicator to me. @erkan12: When are you going to stop ignoring and pretending like Gohan wasn't begging Goku to use all of his power because Goku wasn't taking him seriously and that Ultimate Gohan was getting completely stomped and coached by SS2 Goku? Someone needs to make a thread re-evaluating SSJG/SSJB's power. You're just simply never going to realize that Goku was ALWAYS in control of the entire sparring match and never took Gohan seriously until Gohan pleaded multiple times, and let his own son get a few blows after realizing that SS2 beyond god was simply too much. So take Base Goku and make him 100x stronger, Gohan decisively beat him. That was normal Gohan though, not Mystic Gohan transformation that fought Buu and Piccolo train Gohan before the Goku fight to do that again. Would he? Which prompts goku to use kk. That just means frieza would win which he would. Just a month ago everyone was saying Kale would wreck Golden Frieza and Goku, well SSB Goku took way more punishment from Jiren than Kale did. Going by power scaling and math, SSJ4 is pretty dang powerful. Gohan reunlocks his Ultimate form and can suddenly hold his own against SSJB Goku.... @hittheassasin: That's the point. So I don't think being one shotted is really a bad showing for Gohan. Just wow. Do you know what difference there is between SSJ2 and SSB+Kaioken? @erkan12: Yes, I have, and what gives you the impression that Gohan has gotten any stronger since literally the 4 hours and 30 minutes that passed between him begging his dad to take him seriously in their sparring match right before the ToP... to the beginning of the ToP? Goku saw Gohan's power and used SSJ2. Insert TFS Power Levels are BS quote. Not to mention she had just released a bunch of energy before Jiren one shotted her. Close. Yeah it was an act for sure, but why would Frieza say he would have killed Gohan if he hadn't caught on? What you are saying about plot holes, fails in powerscaling, etc. that fight seemed to imply base Goku was above him. I love how you ignore he was clearly being helped by Golden Frieza, you know, an actual god tier opponent, as well as serious Dyspo casually toying with both Golden Frieza and Gohan, who was then about to get stomped by Dyspo if it weren't for Frieza's death beam wall trap... Also, I love how you completely side stepped the Toppo point because you knew full well it puts another huge hole into everything you're saying. 3. So? Your denial on Gohan's power is at the peak. @jashro44: Generally in DBS the narrator narrating the previously on Dragon Ball scene has to summarise what happened last episode so stating Gohan's power rivalled Goku's might be shorthand compared to what actually happened in the episodes. So Potential unleashed Gohan is a good bit stronger than BOG SSG Goku. When he and Gohan challenged the last 2 guys on universe 10 Gohan and his Obuni started out in an epic clash and Piccolo's fight started out with him getting knocked back like nothing. Archived [Question] Is Ultimate Gohan able to be stronger than SSB Goku or Vegeta? So you put current gohan on SSB goku's level? So i would say Goku SSJ3 back then was maybe 1/5th to 1/2 the power of mystic Gohan. @stricnyn3: You've problems with understanding what was really going on with Gohan and Goku. Goku used the Kaio-ken on Gohan. Goku then gets stronger and gets SSJB ontop of that, which is bare minimum 2-3x stronger than SSJG. Not only that, did you even watch the latest ToP episodes? Because random! SSG Goku fought controlled berserk Kale and ssj2 Caulifla at the same time and was going to win. Base Gogeta (fusions reborn) vs Ultimate Gohan. while in Ultimate form before immediately getting stomped by SS2 Goku (Why in the world would Gohan say that and raise his power level just to be "sandbagging" afterwords when he was supposed to test his limits? This is the last part of their fight when Goku was using SSJ. 0. @oblivion360: I accidentally missed your reply. There's a huge difference between SSJG and Blue, as shown in the Jiren vs Goku fight. And then we have him seemingly on par with base Gohan fighting the U6 namekians. So I would hold out on using Jiren as a measuring stick. This. And you're absolutely wrong about the Dyspo match up. It's literally the same thing Goku did vs SS2 Majin Vegeta during the Buu Saga..... You're just going to blatantly ignore that Gohan, word for word, said "this is my current full power!" SSG is weaker than SSB which Mystic Gohan match fine. It was a spar but Goku did go full power. It's pretty dumb to say that Gohan isn't SSJB tier at this point. If my first sentence was true, every Universe 7 warrior should be able to win against SSG Goku. erkan12 says: "And where is your argument against Golden Frieza?". @man_of_miracles: actually you sound salty that BotG movie was retcon and current anime is a mess of inconsistencies ;). If you say that Gohan is equal to SSB Goku then how do you explain that he struggled against SSJ2 Goku? Because he didn't feel that he could easily over power Gohan without it. » Base Gogeta (fusions reborn) vs Ultimate Gohan. Golden Frieza vs Android 17 and Ultimate Gohan(DBS) Battle. SSB tier seems to have a range of level. And where is your argument against Golden Frieza? This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. Remember, it was SSBKK Goku that knocked out Gohan, not just SSB. KaiserWombat Retired Staff. Goku also has KKX20 and could crush Freeza in an instant, and if I recall SSB Vegeta was currently stronger than SSB Goku. Also, SSJ 2 Goku was enough to keep up with Ultimate Gohan. I'm assuming that you also believe Goku is on equal footing to Beerus, too, right? People are so delusional here, it is ridiculous. For Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi on the PlayStation 3, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Ultimate Gohan vs Base Vegito . Without kaioken he would not have fulfilled Gohan's wish. not even against vegeta he pull that out even zamasu was overwhelmed by it. Goku was like "c'mon kid, wtf, you are way too weak" but Gohan kept begging so he turned SSB and used kaioken just for the show. Gohan hasn't done anything in a real dire situation to suggest he's anywhere near the level to fight the way Goku fought Beerus. There is not enough space for "<" to describe it. SSB Goku's Kamehameha in the Exhibition Tournament also caused a far bigger impression than Gohan's at the ToP. Hit gave Jiren some bother. Stop making ridiculous comments. In fact, if you watch SSB only gets one hit on Gohan to Gohan's two on Goku. This new Mystic Gohan could hold his own against SSB Goku and Golden Frieza. 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